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Post by nath on Jul 13, 2011 19:36:04 GMT 10
Stealing a catchphrase from our incompetent PM. Where do you guys stand on this heated debate.
The people hate it, they hate the seller and they hate the entire concept of such a huge machine going into work, to in the end lower the collective degree of planet earth by 1/4000th a of degree.
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Post by HBM on Jul 13, 2011 20:03:26 GMT 10
Like a lot of Labor schemes they are really solid on paper, the delivery of it all has been quite poor.
I'm honestly not sure on where I stand with it. I'm very strong on preserving our planet and think it should be one of the top priority of any leader of any nation but his just doesn't seem right to me. Small picture it's a few extra dollars a week out of my pocket, big deal, big picture when large companies exploit it and use it as a chance to cover their minor losses with large gains the wrong people suffer.
Much like the GST it will come in and be apart of our way of life for many years to come. We'll learn to live with it and it will be a dead issue this time next year.
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Post by nath on Jul 13, 2011 20:24:37 GMT 10
I'm with you. It's a few extra dollars a week out of my pocket, that I'd hardly notice.
We all know the facts, the continual mismanagement of schemes, throwing away all the money the Liberals left and generally the pretentiousness of Kevin Rudd, the sheer arrogance of Julia Gillard, a combination of complete and utter ignorance and incompetence, etc etc.
All that aside, the Robot Politician from Silverchair's Anthem for 2000 Video now wants to sell a tax on something that is either widely debated as neither fact nor fiction and/or very few real people agree on.
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Post by jjhewlett on Jul 14, 2011 0:09:16 GMT 10
Just another example of Labor's complete incompetence. They've bankrupted the country & are looking for any excuse to squeeze more money out of us. The tax breaks that some people get won't help when they lose their job because of it..
One thing that unsettles me though is Tony Abbott's performance as opposition leader during all of this. Right now more than ever he should be showing some real leadership to show the people of Australia why they should vote for him. All he's doing now is telling us why we shouldn't vote for Julia.
I'm traditionally a Liberal voter & while there's no way on Earth Julia's getting my vote Tony had better start showing some real leadership or my vote will go to an independant who I hope to God won't hold the country to ransom if there's another minority government after next election...
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Post by HBM on Jul 14, 2011 7:53:38 GMT 10
One thing that unsettles me though is Tony Abbott's performance as opposition leader during all of this. Right now more than ever he should be showing some real leadership to show the people of Australia why they should vote for him. All he's doing now is telling us why we shouldn't vote for Julia. I'm traditionally a Liberal voter & while there's no way on Earth Julia's getting my vote Tony had better start showing some real leadership or my vote will go to an independant who I hope to God won't hold the country to ransom if there's another minority government after next election... Exactly. This is all Abbott has ever done. No policies just vitriol aimed at the other party which scores points. Give me a reason to vote for you not a reason why I shouldn't vote the other way. I'm surprised so many people will think our country will be ran a better way with Abbott at the helm. |
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Post by dragon on Jul 14, 2011 8:54:18 GMT 10
This country will die if Abbott gets the top job. Not joking, he is pathetic.
First it was his budget reply...that didn't feature anything on the budget. And now with this he's just firing shots that really have very little basis. I read a report yesterday saying that out of a survey done of 300 economists - 60% were happy with the Labor carbon tax and what it will deliver financially to people, and something like 83% said the Liberal alternative of 'Direct Action' would be more costly and not as good overall.
So the majority seem to hate the carbon tax Gillard has thrown out there. It's like the flood levy that people jumped up and down about earlier this year. I believe it's come into effect now, and the hysteria has died down and nobody cares about it.
Tony Abbott and his 'Stop the boats...Great Big Tax' sloganeering will have an impact in the short term on the gullible amongst us (sadly, there's a lot of them), but by the time the next election rolls around this tax will have been in effect for a while and nobody will have even noticed anything detrimental. In fact, they may have noticed positives. He's going to need something of substance to retain the big lead he currently has in the polls - his requests for an early election are ludicrous as Gillard will never do it, and reek of fear over the fact he has nothing good to sell himself.
Labor have gone about this the wrong way, but I do wonder if Gillard had not said 'there would be no carbon tax under my government' during the election campaign, and then was shown as a liar when bringing in, would people be as scathing?
They may not like the carbon tax, but it seems people hate the way she lied about it more.
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Post by RECKY on Jul 14, 2011 11:28:03 GMT 10
question....and i'm no rocket scientist by any stretch of the imagination....BUT.....isnt a carbon tax on australian companies to lessen pollutants going into the atmosphere mute, when china and russia and the occasional volcano are pumping shit into the air at a phenomenal rate...its all pointless isnt it??....
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Post by HBM on Jul 14, 2011 12:30:07 GMT 10
isnt a carbon tax on australian companies to lessen pollutants going into the atmosphere mute, when china and russia and the occasional volcano are pumping shit into the air at a phenomenal rate...its all pointless isnt it??.... Ahh the Volcano argument.  Sorry but I find this argument absurd. I wouldn't see it as pointless. It's like saying I'm going to die anyway what's the point of living. We as people on this planet should be doing everything possible to preserve it. The good thing out of the carbon tax debate is people will look for alternatives to reduce power or an alternate to Coal altogether. Solar power is now affordable and it will continue to pop up on houses very quickly. Car companies are finally making their cars "greener" and people are using alternate ways of travelling. It is an up hill battle and arguably one we may never win. IMO it's worth fighting for even if it's a losing battle. |
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Post by RECKY on Jul 14, 2011 13:11:37 GMT 10
isnt a carbon tax on australian companies to lessen pollutants going into the atmosphere mute, when china and russia and the occasional volcano are pumping shit into the air at a phenomenal rate...its all pointless isnt it??.... Ahh the Volcano argument. Sorry but I find this argument absurd. I wouldn't see it as pointless. It's like saying I'm going to die anyway what's the point of living. We as people on this planet should be doing everything possible to preserve it. The good thing out of the carbon tax debate is people will look for alternatives to reduce power or an alternate to Coal altogether. Solar power is now affordable and it will continue to pop up on houses very quickly. Car companies are finally making their cars "greener" and people are using alternate ways of travelling. It is an up hill battle and arguably one we may never win. IMO it's worth fighting for even if it's a losing battle. Bro, I wasnt looking for or starting an argument, i'm a drongo when it comes to this stuff, i was just wondering out loud |
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Post by HBM on Jul 14, 2011 13:15:11 GMT 10
Bro, I wasnt looking for or starting an argument, i'm a drongo when it comes to this stuff, i was just wondering out loud Sorry, I've heard the Volcano argument coming up from sceptics. I do find it amusing.  |
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Post by mr kek on Jul 14, 2011 13:38:11 GMT 10
Why are we paying for a tax there is no solution for?
Are they making some magic spray to fix the carbon problem with the money we will be paying?
It's just another way for them to make money from us.
May as well call it the magic tax.
And yes, our bogan PM lied. The bitch lied, so just on that basis, she can get fucked. I hate her even more for this.
Had she not said that there will no carbon tax in her govt. it wouldn't of been too much of an issue, but she point blank lied. Just on that, the people should not vote her in, and if labour wants a shot at the next election, replace her.
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Post by HBM on Jul 14, 2011 13:54:12 GMT 10
Had she not said that there will no carbon tax in her govt. it wouldn't of been too much of an issue, but she point blank lied. Just on that, the people should not vote her in, and if labour wants a shot at the next election, replace her. As a Liberal supporter you must have been fuming over John Howard flip flopping on the GST. I take it you didn't vote for him in his second term considering you are so infuriated when a politician is lying. |
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Post by mr kek on Jul 14, 2011 14:06:21 GMT 10
I didn't mind the GST from the get go, so him flip flopping on it, was a good thing The difference is, this carbon tax is just bullshit. It's a tax for what exactly? Like I said, if they made some magic spray they could put in the air and fix the problem, ok, I'll pay for that, but, what the hell are we paying for? |
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Post by HBM on Jul 14, 2011 14:17:16 GMT 10
I didn't mind the GST from the get go, so him flip flopping on it, was a good thing The difference is, this carbon tax is just bullshit. It's a tax for what exactly? Like I said, if they made some magic spray they could put in the air and fix the problem, ok, I'll pay for that, but, what the hell are we paying for? So if you didn't mind the Carbon Tax Gillard's backflip wouldn't be an issue? Never mind the fact that a politician lied. Oh sorry as Tony Abbott put it last night, changed their mind.  There are a lot of pros for and a lot of cons against it. All it takes a simple search and a little reading. |
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Post by dragon on Jul 14, 2011 14:28:02 GMT 10
Really, if voting for a politician was based on whether they lie or not, we'd have no government at all. Gillard lied about this, Abbott has previously admitted in interviews that he lies. To say people shouldn't vote her in because she lied, is a bit silly given who the leader of the opposition is.
They're all the same. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't really.
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