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Post by dragon on Jul 15, 2011 8:34:54 GMT 10
Not sure who I would vote for in an election. Abbott is a nasty piece of work, and the Libs idea on climate will apparently cost us MORE than the carbon tax. People seem to forget that part. On a local level, I could never vote for the Peter Dutton due to his actions prior to the last election.
Julia Gillard, meanwhile is proving to be useless and something of a Greens puppet. There only chance may be to get Rudd back in there, but that's a long shot.
I wouldn't normally vote independent, because I think that's a waste unless they are a legitimate chance of winning.
Thank God we have a couple of years until the next election.
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Post by Stevil420 on Aug 8, 2011 22:51:02 GMT 10
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Post by nath on Aug 9, 2011 14:25:25 GMT 10
I think if Labor want's to win the next election they'll dump Gillard. If they were smart.
At the end of the day, Greens leader Bob Brown has an agreement with Gillard -- not so much the Labor Government.
So they have two options:
- Dump Gillard, lose the Greens and potentially contend and win the next election.
- Go to the next election on the back of the Carbon tax, the Greens support and lose.
But you've got to love some of the sheer arrogance on some of the Labor MP's behalf. Only a few nights ago on, it could have been PM Agenda a Liberal back bencher pretty much straight out said the Labor bloke " I'm sitting here listening to your point of view and showing you the respect, why can't you do the same? " while the Labor guy is sitting there acting like a child every time the Lib's guy spoke on the issue.
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Post by HBM on Aug 9, 2011 18:18:03 GMT 10
They don't have a hope in hell if they dump their leader.....again. Honestly if they stand firm on what they believe and don't backflip like they have done on almost everything else then they may have a chance of holding on.
One thing they have going for them is the opposition is lead by a complete moron. If Abbott doesn't do something completely stupid between now and an election Labor will find it hard to win the election. That's a big if though.
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Post by nath on Aug 10, 2011 0:06:20 GMT 10
If Abbott doesn't do something completely stupid between now and an election Labor will find it hard to win the election. That's a big if though. That's it right there. It's like a circus in the Labor world, if Rudd isn't doing something narcissistic, or wasting every's time, Wong is running around entertaining the media. While I don't really have a problem if that robotic lesbian has a child with another women -- I do kind of have an issue if this piece of news becomes a media focal point for Labor to play with taking away the attention from all of Labor's failures of the near-past and for the foreseeable future. Chances are Abbott will be asked about Wong's kid, and his stance on Gay marriage, they'll tie it in the Carbon Tax issue.. His answer will vastly be a conservative Christian point of view and Gillard & Wong will in the process paint Abbott as the evil, vile dinosaur putting the brakes or progressive thinking. Thus the Carbon Tax. |
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Post by mr kek on Nov 18, 2011 0:44:29 GMT 10
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Post by mr kek on Jan 24, 2012 16:30:41 GMT 10
Prime Minister Julia goes to a primary school to talk to the kids to get a little PR. After her talk she offers question time. One little boy puts up his hand and she asks him his name. " Stanley ," responds the little boy. "And what is your question, Stanley ?" "I have 4 questions: Why did you bring in a carbon tax when Australians didn’t vote for it Second, why are you Prime minister when the Liberal Party got more votes? Third weren’t you a communist at university Fourth, why are you so worried about gay-marriage when you are obviously a lesbian? Just then, the bell rings for recess. Julia informs the kiddies that they will continue after recess. When they resume Julia says, "OK, where were we? Oh, that 's right: question time. Who has a question?" Another little boy puts up his hand. Julia points him out and asks him his name. "Steve," he responds. "And what is your question, Steve?" Actually, I have 6 questions. Why did you bring in a carbon tax when Australians didn’t vote for it Why are you Prime minister when Tony Abbott got more votes? Third, weren’t you a communist at university Fourth, why are you so worried about gay-marriage when you are obviously a lesbian? Fifth, why did the recess bell go off 20 minutes early? And sixth, what the f*ck happened to Stanley?"  |
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Post by nath on Jan 24, 2012 17:17:28 GMT 10
Funnily, part of that joke is calling Julia a lesbian.
Tim Matheison, her " partner " is from my home town. Shepparton, Vic.
A Journo from the big city could easily come up here, and learn about how he ripped off his business partners, ripped off his family and why he rarely visits his home town -- and it's not due to his " partner's " commitments either.
Oh yeah, and those pesky gay rumors that have been floating around for decades.
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Post by mr kek on Jul 4, 2012 12:33:23 GMT 10
Much like the GST it will come in and be apart of our way of life for many years to come. We'll learn to live with it and it will be a dead issue this time next year. Just read this again, and I have to disagree. It's a year on from that post, and it's just been introduced, and I don't think it's a dead issue. My thoughts are, at the end of the day, the money is not going to fix the issues with the environment, it's just the Govt taking more money in. If they had the solution to the problem and needed funding for it, OK, but it's just another tax. Like said a year ago, I'd be happier if they just came out and called it "the bullshit tax" as that's what it is. Gillard, don't try and lie to me, and then tell me how your new stupid rules/taxes are good for me. I'm not a fucking idiot. If this was a worldwide initiative and there was a solution and the money was required for the solution, then this would be great, but it's not, and it's just another way to tax us for nothing.  |
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Post by HBM on Jul 4, 2012 21:14:42 GMT 10
Much like the GST it will come in and be apart of our way of life for many years to come. We'll learn to live with it and it will be a dead issue this time next year. Just read this again, and I have to disagree. It's a year on from that post, and it's just been introduced, and I don't think it's a dead issue. My thoughts are, at the end of the day, the money is not going to fix the issues with the environment, it's just the Govt taking more money in. If they had the solution to the problem and needed funding for it, OK, but it's just another tax. Like said a year ago, I'd be happier if they just came out and called it "the bullshit tax" as that's what it is. Gillard, don't try and lie to me, and then tell me how your new stupid rules/taxes are good for me. I'm not a fucking idiot. If this was a worldwide initiative and there was a solution and the money was required for the solution, then this would be great, but it's not, and it's just another way to tax us for nothing. Allow me to rephrase - a year after its introduction.... |
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Post by Gog77 on Jul 5, 2012 0:30:00 GMT 10
I haven't sat down and watched the news or read the paper in weeks so I'm not really up to date on all the political propaganda that creates the hysteria. The carbon tax is upon us? Oh someone please think of the children. ;D I remember vividly way back the GST was rubber stamped. A man stopped while I was sitting on a bench on the street and babbled on how doomed my future would be. I didn't have a comment for him, didn't know what he was carrying on about to be honest but my life really didn't change one bit.. Thinking back I remember reports on how much of a disaster the GST was in it's first and maybe second year but everything went back to normal. Obviously I come from one demographic and can't comment on how it effected others but it seemed like a non issue to me, still I'd rather not pay it. I think this round of taxes will be a similar situation. I haven't looked into if I'm better off or worse but I can't see myself personally not having two coins to rub together but I'd still not rather pay it.  It's in now and here to stay. |
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Post by Gog77 on Jul 5, 2012 10:31:06 GMT 10
Someone posted this on Facebook and found it interesting, well amusing really considering this arse-clown carries on like it will be the plague for Australia. So just 3 years ago he supported a carbon tax? OK he used the word "IF" so perhaps he needs the benefit of the doubt..... NAH. Maybe Julia pinched the idea from him that's why he's so upset. So many blind voters will vote for him in hope that this "toxic tax" will be removed but Tony will be rubbing his hands together with glee when the $ start rolling in for his government. |
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Post by mr kek on Jul 5, 2012 12:44:35 GMT 10
The point of posting in this topic again was to see if people's opinions have changed on the subject.
Mine have not.
Thinking back I remember reports on how much of a disaster the GST was in it's first and maybe second year but everything went back to normal. The GST was never a disaster, I welcomed it when it came in. It made things better. Most items dropped in price. I was all for it, and still think it's a good idea. It took longer to calm down, as the whole fucking tax system changed. You'd expect it to take a year or 2 to settle down  So many blind voters will vote for him in hope that this "toxic tax" will be removed but Tony will be rubbing his hands together with glee when the $ start rolling in for his government. You can call them blind, but right now, I'd rather them be blind, instead of being stupid an voting for Gillard. The liberals don't need extra cash generated by this carbon tax, labour does. The liberals would get the country back on track, without adding a tax, by their proven track record. Remember Rudd's $900 giveaway. Well if the libs didn't get that money in the bank to begin with, there would have been no $900 giveways, and the state of our economy would be fucked. Saying "we need some more money, so we're taxing you more", is better than saying, "I need to tax you cause it's good for our environment" It's a fucking stupid tax, and I'd rather they be upfont about it being a normal tax, instead of trying to sell it as they are. Kinda like how about 10 years ago, optus cable went from their "fair use" system to a 3GB limit and said "they are doing this to make the user experience better for their customers"  WTF I'd rather they said, "we fucked up our calculations, and we can't afford to give you net for the cost you are getting it, we need to make up new plans so we can actually make money" Yes, they look like fucking idiots, but better that, than looking like a bunch of liein fucking thieves who want to extort you for more.
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Post by Gog77 on Jul 5, 2012 14:46:06 GMT 10
It took longer to calm down, as the whole fucking tax system changed. You'd expect it to take a year or 2 to settle down I don't know why the fuck you're rolling your eyes at me my point about the GST was that everyone said it was going to be a disaster and in the first 2 years it was a struggle but everything went back to normal. My point was the hysteria it created was way over the top and didn't change my life one bit much like this. |
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Post by mr kek on Jul 5, 2012 17:00:23 GMT 10
It took longer to calm down, as the whole fucking tax system changed. You'd expect it to take a year or 2 to settle down I don't know why the fuck you're rolling your eyes at me my point about the GST was that everyone said it was going to be a disaster and in the first 2 years it was a struggle but everything went back to normal. My point was the hysteria it created was way over the top and didn't change my life one bit much like this. Why are you comparing the GST to the carbon tax anyway? The carbon tax is apparently a tax on carbon use, the GST was an overhaul of the entire tax system. Anyone who thought it would happen overnight was kidding themselves anyway, and it turned out alright, because it was a good idea. This is not a good idea, and will not turn out alright, IMO. And smite me all you want EDIT: The point was to see if anyone has changed their view a year on. Seems you and I havn't, and we've been around the block with this already. |
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