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Post by mr kek on Jan 22, 2014 13:55:14 GMT 10
With the sad new laws being brought in due to the spastics dog shotting(my term for the cowards punch) others and killing them, the entire NSW now suffers in some way, and the clubs/pubs in the cross are going to suffer, the people in that work in them suffer.
No alcohol after 1:30, then lockout at 3am.
Brilliant, last call, and everyone is going to order as many as they can and slam them down before they leave, so every cunt is loaded up, all out on the street together, trying to get home, whilst cabs are doing change overs' at 3am. This will surely be absolute fucking chaos.
It's so hard to get home from the city now, with this shit happening, forget it, Sydney nightlife just died.
The dumbest part of this all is, the 10pm closing time for ALL BOTTLE SHOPS IN NSW.
People who have nothing to do with this dumb shit, now can't buy a case of beer after 10pm.
This is the lazy way to legislate.
Just forget about increasing jail time for these pieces of shit that do this, lets punish the entire state.......politicians are morons.
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Post by johnholmes on Jan 22, 2014 15:47:53 GMT 10
Totally agree kek. Have you seen the current lockdowns in the cross it's impossible to get home now it's through the whole city. Everyone leaving at the same time and can't get home plus loaded up on alcohol is more trouble than it is now.
My work opened up one of those sobering up centres in June. Before New Year's Eve the police had brought in the whopping figure of two clients.
At least there is a demand for some moonshine might have to go into business
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Post by RECKY on Jan 22, 2014 16:22:39 GMT 10
I'm not amazed that the drooling fkn nitwit has taken the soft option instead of stomping on these out of control fuckers ...so his gonna continue wiping the bums and holding the hands of THE FUCKING CRIMINALS while also probably having a say in the octogenarians,who dont live in the real world, getting seats on the bench in Supreme Courts.
I personally know young guys who have gone out for after work drinks in Sydney and by 10pm were in A&E cause some prick who left home charged up, which I'm told is the thing to do nowadays to save money, Dog Shot them from behind...AND...to top it off the arsehat will probably get off after his defence lawyer tells the old fart with the wig, that his client wasnt of sound mind and wasnt his usual self...the govt needs to make the sentence for this shit, manditory life with no parole..and I dont give a flying fuck if this is the first offence...the bloke he thumped didnt plan on fkn dying after 3 or 4 schooners...sadly all the bleeding hearts whinge and moan about how rough a life the criminal has had, whilst conveniently forgetting the victims.
I personally dont drink alcohol anymore, after losing a couple of mates and a cousin to drunk drivers who either didnt get caught or only got 14 months ..booze sorta lost its appeal...I've heard people say that raising the age to 25 might work, Ive also heard people suggest prohibition, but thats just fkn ridiculous to suggest...(can you imagine the tax hike when the govt cut from beer sales dries up)...
I do know, this states got a lot more to work on than what fucking time your local BWS shuts up shop...I'm fkn stunned...one good thing is O'Farrell will only get one go around as Premier at this rate
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Post by skinnydragon on Jan 22, 2014 18:00:00 GMT 10
My hometown has had 1:30am lock outs and 3am curfew for quite a few years now.I guess because I hardly go out it doesn't faze me, but it did stop a lot of the rot that was happening here.
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Post by nath on Jan 22, 2014 18:20:07 GMT 10
This is nothing new. Victoria has had 10pm closing times for liquor shops for as long as I remember.
Meanwhile a lot, if not, most regional cities have had 3am lock outs for at almost 7 or 8 years due to the violence seen.
And in typical small town fashion, when night clubs wouldn't act against the violence prior to the lock outs, the local Police chief more than a handful of times would get out of bed in the wee hours of the morning and shut the clubs down if shit was getting out of control.
Did a lock out kill the night life? Not really, it killed off a couple of shit clubs. The good ones, and the pubs became more popular, because they took the steps to insure people's safety. Most implemented full facial scanners at the door, with full ID checks for everyone, despite age.
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Post by dragon on Jan 22, 2014 21:13:50 GMT 10
Pretty sure Brisbane has had a 3AM lockout for a few years (I don't go out so not sure how long). You still hear things every other weekend about drunken punch-ups and dogshots. So I can't say it's worked much. People just start drinking earlier at their local, get loaded and hit the town. Trouble ensues.
Automatic jail sentences, of a decent length, with massive fines, would probably do more.
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Post by MrX on Jan 22, 2014 23:45:05 GMT 10
I rarely go out city drinking. It's a social thing, talking discussing the day. Going out to get drunk is for regards & the low IQ. A few places I do go to are high end places or boutique suburban ones. Not the sort attached to a TAB, low socio or too near the CBD/train lines. On holidays when I'm not driving I might have a few too many. That's ok.
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Post by HBM on Jan 23, 2014 18:52:37 GMT 10
Weak, bandaid solutions. That seems to be the only thing governments provide. They're happy to tax alcohol and cigarettes for that matter, but are they serious about stopping them? NO, because that would cut their income.
So these measures appear to be addressing the problem, but they're not, because really... the problem is not alcohol, the problem is idiots!
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Post by mr kek on Jan 23, 2014 19:02:14 GMT 10
Weak, bandaid solutions. That seems to be the only thing governments provide. They're happy to tax alcohol and cigarettes for that matter, but are they serious about stopping them? NO, because that would cut their income. So these measures appear to be addressing the problem, but they're not, because really... the problem is not alcohol, the problem is idiots! and the rest suffer in various ways due to a few idiots. |
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Post by nath on Jan 23, 2014 21:43:04 GMT 10
I'm not against the idea of these laws. If it stops people wandering around looking for trouble at 4am and it curbs the violence.. then well done. And I think it will.
Unfortunately it's always the actions of a few idiots that ruin it for everyone.
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Post by RECKY on Jan 26, 2014 13:09:43 GMT 10
I was having a think...and back in the days of pub rock...we were done and dusted by 11.30p...and no one was getting Dog Shot at 4 in the morning cause every fucker was home brewing a hangover...so maybe that the answer ...go back to early 80's and shut the pubs at 10.30 or 11pm ....also, I was thinking that maybe they could breathalise people at nightclub /pub doors and if your over say 0.5..you dont get in...might stop people charging up before they leave home
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Post by Stevil420 on Jan 27, 2014 12:31:57 GMT 10
I like the idea of taking a breath test at the door recky, perhaps even on the way out too so some guys can get escorted to a cab straight away instead of wandering the streets.
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Post by mr kek on Jan 27, 2014 12:32:30 GMT 10
I was having a think...and back in the days of pub rock...we were done and dusted by 11.30p...and no one was getting Dog Shot at 4 in the morning cause every fucker was home brewing a hangover...so maybe that the answer ...go back to early 80's and shut the pubs at 10.30 or 11pm .... We live in a 24/7 society today. No way in the world that would work. You'd have parties everywhere with zero security, ensuring tonnes of chaos. People would make a business out of selling Alcohol after those times. You won't stop it, it will happen some way. also, I was thinking that maybe they could breathalise people at nightclub /pub doors and if your over say 0.5..you dont get in...might stop people charging up before they leave home That's not a bad idea, but the problem with that doing that is, you can't view everyone over .05 as a fucking idiot that can't control themselves. |
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Post by nath on Jan 27, 2014 21:52:56 GMT 10
How about clubs being forced to take more responsibility. By law. Maybe they should be forced by law to enforce security or at least have accountability for what happens in and within the general vicinity of their club.
If that means being forced by law to up security ( a percentage based on patron capacity ) to co-incite with the volume of patrons on the street.. force the clubs to do it. With the extra security staff on, that might also mean bouncers being held personally accountable when something is happening 50ft away instead of ignoring it and being more concerned with footwear than safety.
It shouldn't be the Police and then later, the Ambo's jobs to clean up the mess, night clubs often aid in escalating the mentioned problems to the point of tragedy through a lack of real duty of care, lack of enforcement of their liquor licensing codes, especially in regards to serving intoxicated patrons and a heavy promotion of binge drinking.
Liquor retailers operate with these codes and laws in place. And are fined heavily for even the smallest breaches.
Night clubs are more than happy to take people's money and let kids get drunk to the point they can't walk, yet couldn't care less when someone steps outside the club.
If some geared up Bro spends 6 hrs banging back shots, sculling spirits and Dog Shots an innocent person outside a club, and the club's duty manager's answer is " it's not a priority and they can't look out for everyone " in regards to said bro's intoxication level, and why he was continuously served when he was clearly drunk.. that's not a good enough excuse.
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Post by HBM on Jan 28, 2014 7:54:54 GMT 10
How about clubs being forced to take more responsibility. By law. Maybe they should be forced by law to enforce security or at least have accountability for what happens in and within the general vicinity of their club. If that means being forced by law to up security ( a percentage based on patron capacity ) to co-incite with the volume of patrons on the street.. force the clubs to do it. With the extra security staff on, that might also mean bouncers being held personally accountable when something is happening 50ft away instead of ignoring it and being more concerned with footwear than safety. It shouldn't be the Police and then later, the Ambo's jobs to clean up the mess, night clubs often aid in escalating the mentioned problems to the point of tragedy through a lack of real duty of care, lack of enforcement of their liquor licensing codes, especially in regards to serving intoxicated patrons and a heavy promotion of binge drinking. Liquor retailers operate with these codes and laws in place. And are fined heavily for even the smallest breaches. Night clubs are more than happy to take people's money and let kids get drunk to the point they can't walk, yet couldn't care less when someone steps outside the club. If some geared up Bro spends 6 hrs banging back shots, sculling spirits and Dog Shots an innocent person outside a club, and the club's duty manager's answer is " it's not a priority and they can't look out for everyone " in regards to said bro's intoxication level, and why he was continuously served when he was clearly drunk.. that's not a good enough excuse. Hmmm, I see what you're saying, but this is a real can of worms. Remember the David Hookes incident? Hookes may have been the biggest cunt on the street for all I know, but the bouncer struck him on the street (Hookes fell and hit his head on the gutter I believe), which was outside his juridstiction. He was emplyed to enforce certain rules on the premises. What giving bouncers, many of whom aren't exactly the best decision makers at the best of times, the opportunity to police the streets does, is tantamount to carnage. Many of them are violent by nature. And then there is the confusion that will surround patrons who were/weren't part of their establishment prior to any incident. I don't want me, or anyone I know, to be bound by rules of a nightclub when they haven't even been inside and just happen to be in the vicinity. Anyway, a higher class of people would need to be employed, and paid accordingly if duties were to extend past the club doors and out into the street. |
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