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Post by helt on Sept 24, 2012 7:44:02 GMT 10
I thought we have a good group of people here I like to hear their opinions and since its not WNA I think can discuss things in a mature way. So ,like the Character Assassination thread I thought I would start a discission every week and this weeks is trolling.
What do you consider trolling?
Is disagreeing with the popular opinion of a forum trolling?
Should you acknowledge a troll or just ignore them?
Is the best thing we can do for someone getting abused online is telling the abused to go offline?
Is trolling a crime?
Have you been trolled? What did you do?
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Post by johnholmes on Sept 24, 2012 8:27:29 GMT 10
I have been coping a bit recently over at WNA and Sherdog from them used to take there bait but just ignore them now.
Personally there is wankers and haters everywhere now and I don't see the big deal in the media about it twitter can be used for good I recently used it to get in contact with a boxer and he said he will sign a pair of boxing shorts to sign for me personally so if you use it for good good things can come but those people that troll are just bitter twisted fucks with no life and not many friends in the real world.
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Post by Gog77 on Sept 24, 2012 10:01:07 GMT 10
What do you consider trolling?
From an online forum POV it's just being a dick. Usually from people who have no interest or hate a particular subject and trash people that do enjoy the subject of discussion.
Is disagreeing with the popular opinion of a forum trolling?
Absolutely not.
Should you acknowledge a troll or just ignore them?
Ignore them they'll go away but if someone was to troll in here I'd like to think a verbal beatdown first would be appropriate.
Is the best thing we can do for someone getting abused online is telling the abused to go offline?
Why take it to heart is my question? It's just people behind a keyboard so why should the abuser be punished. If it's that bad ignore and move on.
Is trolling a crime?
Nope.
Have you been trolled? What did you do?
If it's something you're really passionate about it's hard not to respond so I've been guilty of biting back many times. Eventually you work out who is genuine and who is just a fucking wanker and the ignore/block feature works a treat.
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Post by nath on Sept 24, 2012 19:16:53 GMT 10
What do you consider trolling?
Personal attacks. Sure have a heated debate, throw some bait out there and probably even take some in return.. but when it becomes personal, and it's only be said to inflict damage, that's trolling.
Is disagreeing with the popular opinion of a forum trolling?
No. Not a chance. To reference WNA again, I remember countless times receiving personal messages from a high ranking admin for disagreeing with the popular opinion, and advised I was nothing more than a troublemaker, and in fact banned and told my opinion was irrelevant or something... guess what, Cena's still the top guy, Orton became a killing machine and only two indy darlings lived up to the hype. Pretty spot on opinion coming out of 2006.
Should you acknowledge a troll or just ignore them?
I think if you're strong enough, and witty enough.. have a crack back. But once it becomes personal, and you've got someone throwing around personal details online.. ignore it and use the tools that are there. Contact the admin. Trolls feed on your response.
Is the best thing we can do for someone getting abused online is telling the abused to go offline?
It's a different ball game these days. There's a very thin line between what happens online and in the real world. If it's a school mate or work mate doing the trolling or harassing, use the tools available.
Is trolling a crime?
Trolling. No. Bullying and harassment, I think most organizations were significantly frown on it and probably force people to step down. Charging someone with being a dick, yeah.. probably not a crime.
Have you been trolled? What did you do?
Yeah. And usually I'll throw something back. Got something to say, yeah I'll spend 5 minutes googling your email address, finding some dirt and slinging one back.
Does it help the cause, no.
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Post by jjhewlett on Sept 24, 2012 21:25:52 GMT 10
I think the big thing to remember with internet trolls is that for the most part they're either teenagers or just losers with nothing better to do with their time (such as, you know, actually go outside & get a life!)
Another thing to try & keep in mind is that trolling & being petty because someone disagrees with your opinion aren't necessarily the same thing. Case in point: On this forum (& over at WNA!) I've had some pretty heated arguments over the state of TNA wrestling. I lay out an argument as to why I think it sucks (sucked now, past tense, it has improved drastically over the last 6 months, Claire Lynch & too much Hogan aside). People on the other side of the coin, instead of giving a well thought out argument back, resort to calling me a hater, Mr negativity & then the personal attacks. I don't look at that as trolling more as just people not having the maturity level to accept differing view points from their own & not having the capacity to retort appropriately.
I look at a troll as someone who deliberately seeks out attention to themselves by hijacking a thread or attacking an individual poster with childish, petty & (sometimes very hurtful) personal insults. Is that bullying? If not then it's got to be pretty bloody close.
Is it a crime? I think at the end of the day their has to be an element of common sense & individual basis look at it. Much like back in the day the schoolyard or behind the pub scuffle wouldn't be looked at as a crime yet the Dog Shot from behind leaving a person hospitalised would, someone throwing out petty insults (ie: you're stupid if you think that, what planet did you come from?) shouldn't be looked at as crimes while the person who stoops to really low insults (Go hang yourself you stupid fuck, no one will miss you anyway) should definitely be punished to the full extent of the law.
Skewing off the subject a bit here I know, but I was reading an article by Danny Green talking about the Dog Shot issue going on over here in Perth. He feels - & I agree - that increasing the punishments for these crimes won't work in the long run until we as a society tackle the issue of basic respect. The reason that Dog Shots, violent crimes on the elderly & defenseless & internet trolling/bullying has reached horrific levels over the last decade simply comes down to a basic lack of respect.
Until people can learn to respect those in authority, those on the street/pub/schoolyard/anywhere & most importantly learn to respect themselves, then these issues we as a nation are facing will only get worse. And as a parent I can't let that happen...
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Post by dragon on Sept 24, 2012 22:03:02 GMT 10
On this forum (& over at WNA!) I've had some pretty heated arguments over the state of TNA wrestling. I lay out an argument as to why I think it sucks (sucked now, past tense, it has improved drastically over the last 6 months, Claire Lynch & too much Hogan aside). People on the other side of the coin, instead of giving a well thought out argument back, resort to calling me a hater, Mr negativity & then the personal attacks. I don't look at that as trolling more as just people not having the maturity level to accept differing view points from their own & not having the capacity to retort appropriately. Am I misreading this...or are you saying that none of us here have ever made a well thought out point about TNA? I know I damn sure have. |
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Post by jjhewlett on Sept 24, 2012 22:08:19 GMT 10
On this forum (& over at WNA!) I've had some pretty heated arguments over the state of TNA wrestling. I lay out an argument as to why I think it sucks (sucked now, past tense, it has improved drastically over the last 6 months, Claire Lynch & too much Hogan aside). People on the other side of the coin, instead of giving a well thought out argument back, resort to calling me a hater, Mr negativity & then the personal attacks. I don't look at that as trolling more as just people not having the maturity level to accept differing view points from their own & not having the capacity to retort appropriately. Am I misreading this...or are you saying that none of us here have ever made a well thought out point about TNA? I know I damn sure have. Dragon yes you are misreading this. On this forum I really only had major disagreements with one other poster where I felt it got out of hand. Everyone else has been fine. Even when we have disagreements it's all good. Just one person on this site where it got out of hand. Maybe I should've pointed that out more clearly. If I've upset anyone with that comment then I apologise. |
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Post by dragon on Sept 25, 2012 8:36:20 GMT 10
All good JJ, I had assumed that. But it was worded a bit weird like we all have no idea what we are talking about.  |
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Post by RECKY on Sept 25, 2012 11:36:20 GMT 10
What do you consider trolling?
Personal attacks and just plain old shit stirring...example.. I'm a member of the Central Coast mariners forum and when we have a Mariners v Jets derby, and sometimes not even then, coming up we get flooded with Newcastle Jets fans ...giving us spray after spray about how there going to hunt down the mariners fans and bash them or how their going to smash up the shops in Gosfords main street (which they have done)...what do you say to that...? and after one game up in Newcastle were my wife got a cup of piss poured on her from the seats above, I fought back against the the pricks the next day AFTER WE WON and it just got worse...
Is disagreeing with the popular opinion of a forum trolling?
No, as long as the response given isnt a vindictive attack
Should you acknowledge a troll or just ignore them?
I mean how do respond without coming down to the trollers level...the only thing you can do is ban them, but they just keep making profiles and joining
Is the best thing we can do for someone getting abused online is telling the abused to go offline?
I guess so, take a break from wherever your getting abused, the pricks will probably get bored when you stop showing up
Is trolling a crime?
Trolling. No. Bullying and harassment YES
I think most organizations have anti-bullying policys in place
Have you been trolled? What did you do?
like I said I fought back, and the jets fans just amped it up...mind you they were probably 14 year old little try hards, which seems to make up most of the "Squadron" ,<---Jets fan group
Does it help the cause...
not in the slightest...I even contacted the newcastle jets office and all I got from there was "dont come to the fixture up here then"...so we dont...( I sent that email to the FFA)
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Post by helt on Sept 25, 2012 13:48:20 GMT 10
I dont think trolling should be a crime but I think there should be some penalty. Something should be done when people do stuff like this www.dailydot.com/news/torrey-smith-twitter-taunt/Jail maybe not but something should be done. I have had lots of people taunt me over my family and people going after my kids. Its cowardly and stupid and I have complained and I have fired back but nothing was done and I was managed to be made the bad guy and banned by Rev over at WNA and I was banned here for a while. I still dont know why people think its right for people to log off because someones trolling them. If that worked in the real world Hitler would have taken over the world. "Look I know hes being a prick but it woulkd be much easier and safer if all you Jewish people just moved away" seems to be the general reaction to trolling. I dont know why people are so afraid to speak up against troilling and rudeness on the net. I speak up and yes I sometimes get banned for saying what I think is right but thats a much better thing to do than let some poor bastard swing in the wind as others bully them. Its disappointing the lack of respect people have towards others. |
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Post by Gog77 on Sept 25, 2012 19:34:39 GMT 10
That's horrible. I can't believe that someone would say that. Still it's not a crime. Think of it this way if someone said that to you face to face would you run to the police? No you'd probably punch them in the mouth and use provocation as your defense.
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Post by helt on Sept 25, 2012 22:28:03 GMT 10
I agree its not a crime but its something you shouldnt be allowed to do either
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Post by vile101 on Nov 18, 2012 22:28:03 GMT 10
Talking shit about dead people is gutless, pathetic and shows a lack of basic human empathy.
Trolling for lols should not be confused with bullying and bullying was not invented by the net, it just gave the general lowlifes of the world a platform to voice their dribbling shit.
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