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Post by Greg on Dec 3, 2010 13:47:41 GMT 10
While I do agree Kek, remember Orson Welles and War of the Worlds? It was a prank essentially, but it threw society into chaos. The videos on NASA being some kind of secret society was intriguing, and certainly has some merit, but I reckon they believe if they tell us what they know, it's going to send the planet into a panic that there might be a life form more intelligent then us that could come in and take over.
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Post by mr kek on Dec 3, 2010 15:24:41 GMT 10
While I do agree Kek, remember Orson Welles and War of the Worlds? It was a prank essentially, but it threw society into chaos. The videos on NASA being some kind of secret society was intriguing, and certainly has some merit, but I reckon they believe if they tell us what they know, it's going to send the planet into a panic that there might be a life form more intelligent then us that could come in and take over. That's what the dude also say in the video, which makes sense, but I wanna know dammit.  |
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Post by bazzil on Dec 4, 2010 0:39:58 GMT 10
Interesting stuff guys, been in a real science mood lately so I'll be following this now. Once you see how they explain it, it's hard to deny some of this stuff. It's hard to deny a lot of things you see in conspiracy videos. That's what happens when you have someone who sets out to make something with a goal in mind and selectively choses what they will and won't include. I'm sure watching certain videos it's hard to deny the Grassy Knoll shooters or the Magic Bullet theory, but anyone who's done a little actual research knows how absurd they are. Good on them. If you have a bunch of people taking things out of context, talking about things they know little about and often just creating bullshit then you need a bunch of people willing to invest the time to inject a little reality into the debate. |
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Post by mr kek on Dec 4, 2010 0:52:35 GMT 10
Once you see how they explain it, it's hard to deny some of this stuff. It's hard to deny a lot of things you see in conspiracy videos. I'm sure watching certain videos it's hard to deny the Grassy Knoll shooters or the Magic Bullet theory, but anyone who's done a little actual research knows how absurd they are. Read the book also if you want the the physics of it all. I challenge anyone to debunk their theory about Cydonia. All those numbers are just lucky guesses? Have you watched any of the video's posted? It's easy to deny anything without really paying any attention. |
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Post by Greg on Dec 4, 2010 9:07:10 GMT 10
Bazzil must work for NASA.
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Post by RECKY on Dec 4, 2010 13:57:43 GMT 10
I still stand by Erik Von Dannikens Chariots of the Gods....the first and best aliens have been here doco
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Post by mr kek on Dec 4, 2010 17:20:03 GMT 10
I still stand by Erik Von Dannikens Chariots of the Gods....the first and best aliens have been here doco That's the doco yea ? |
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Post by vile101 on Dec 5, 2010 9:05:03 GMT 10
You can go on about people putting in fact to put their personal perspective across, but isn't that just what the debunkers do too? Thy're putting in what they want to make it seem less likely. Its the same thing, at the end of the day it comes down to weather you accept it's possible.
Wasn't the magic bullet theory (or the theory of a single gunman) the scenario that they say happened? So if that's incorrect you're actually saying we was not shot by Oswald because the bullet would have had to make a right turn, then a left and continue through a driver/security guy.
Was interested to see Jesse Ventura could not make the shots the Oswald did and Ventura is a former Navy Seal and qualified for first class marks man. From my understanding Oswald was the very lowest rank of shooter, basically just passable, so I don't really understand how he could have made three shots, all hits, in 6 seconds when Ventura could not make three hits in 8.
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Post by vile101 on Dec 5, 2010 9:14:04 GMT 10
I still stand by Erik Von Dannikens Chariots of the Gods....the first and best aliens have been here doco That's the doco yea ? Erich Von Daniken seems like such a nice guy  but I find some of his stuff a bit off personally. Watched this one on Aliens not long ago and it collected together a lot of the good stuff on Alien visitation: And: |
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Post by bazzil on Dec 5, 2010 10:14:45 GMT 10
It's hard to deny a lot of things you see in conspiracy videos. I'm sure watching certain videos it's hard to deny the Grassy Knoll shooters or the Magic Bullet theory, but anyone who's done a little actual research knows how absurd they are. Read the book also if you want the the physics of it all. I challenge anyone to debunk their theory about Cydonia. All those numbers are just lucky guesses? Have you watched any of the video's posted? It's easy to deny anything without really paying any attention. Haven't watched any of it. Nor am I denying anything the guys says. Was pointing out that no matter how good an idea sounds or how well some numbers add up, one should always do research from all points of view before forming an opinion on such issues. Bazzil must work for NASA. Close. I'm a disinformation agent sent from the US Government to umm...disinform you, I guess. Now excuse me whilst I go and sacrifice babies to my goat lord with my shape shifting reptilian world leader friends. |
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Post by vile101 on Dec 5, 2010 10:37:27 GMT 10
EDIT: Bad way of stating it. More like... if you want to know something close to the "truth" of a matter you need to talk to the original sources. The old knowledge without Mileage = bullshit thing.) Which is why I like Jesse's show, he comes across as an old school patriot type American (not purely basing that on the show, have seen tons of real life interviews and talks) he lives off the power grid in Mexico and reads military commission reports and (even though yes, he's a TV host of a TV show and getting paid to be so) he does seem to go to these places and get right in peoples faces about it. Like senators and shit, which people don't usually have access too but because he WAS a govn of Minasota he seems to be able to get places other wouldn't and doesn't mind kicking up a fuss when he does if he doesn't like the answers he's getting/ (or isn't getting) Honestly, I'm only going on what I've read in books, online and etc but I do try and get around to as many sources and will watch debunks and read details if it interests me. As you say. Still, if I was rich (like, do whatever you want rich) I'd so travel the world looking at all this shit and listening to people talk on it etc. |
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Post by bazzil on Dec 5, 2010 11:52:51 GMT 10
From my experiance the debunkers are far less likely to take things way out of context, selectivly chose small pieces of evidence while ignoring the bigger picture and make up complete bullshit to support their side. Wasn't the magic bullet theory (or the theory of a single gunman) the scenario that they say happened? So if that's incorrect you're actually saying we was not shot by Oswald because the bullet would have had to make a right turn, then a left and continue through a driver/security guy. Yes, that's correct (the first sentance, anyway). The Single Bullet theory is what the Warren Commision proposed. Mix up of words on my part. I agree with the general principle of that theory. Where the conpsiracy folk get it wrong is in pictures like this mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bogus4.gifthey claim that Connolly was seated directly in front of Kennedy, like a regular car, so the bullet would've had to turn and go upside down and inside out to hit him, but Connolly was seated in bound of JFK and the front seat was lower, so the trajectory is actually consistent with both mens wounds. Pointless. Numerous people have made the shots in subsequent re-creations. They weren't very difficult. Less than 90 yards away, directly in front moving very slowly. If Ventura couldn't make them he either needs to hand back his "first class marks men" card or losen the tin foil hat as it must be cutting of circulation to his arms. And I believe Oswald's shots ranged over 8 seconds. How old is Ventura? How long ago was he a Navy Seal? How much punishment has his body taken since then? |
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Post by mr kek on Dec 5, 2010 12:44:35 GMT 10
Read the book also if you want the the physics of it all. I challenge anyone to debunk their theory about Cydonia. All those numbers are just lucky guesses? Have you watched any of the video's posted? It's easy to deny anything without really paying any attention. Haven't watched any of it. Nor am I denying anything the guys says. Was pointing out that no matter how good an idea sounds or how well some numbers add up, one should always do research from all points of view before forming an opinion on such issues. Considering I'm talking about MARS, the only research that can be done, is the information which has been provided by NASA  It's not like I can just jump in the car and go have a look myself. That's the point also, NASA is in the position to withhold info, and we're none the wiser. NASA has been caught out in lie's before, so I'm not convinced they are exposing the whole truth about their findings. |
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Post by Stevil420 on Dec 5, 2010 13:10:06 GMT 10
Gene "Chip" Tatum. This guy deserves more exposure for the sacrifices he's made. He was later found , presumably tortured then murdered, in the ocean. I can watch this interview countless times, he's a true hero IMO. This really is mind blowing. video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4217457994226676654# |
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Post by helt on Dec 5, 2010 14:33:44 GMT 10
I think there might have been a conspiracy to kill JFK.
I doubt one guy was able to get up in a building and shoot the president with a rifle with no help what so ever and from the video shoot him from the back and make his head snap backwards with and entry wound in the forehead
I have read somewhere ( I will look for the link later) that audio recording have evidence of up to 7 shots being fired.
The thing that gets me about debunkers is that they are as crazy in their thinking as the proponents of the theroy they are debunking
Ufos are a good example Watch this video
I think at least one of these videos would give pause to an unbeliever but if you show it to them they dispute it right away with some reason that they dont even research. They say where is good evidence and this is evidence of something but they deny deny deny. Unless a UFO lands on the front lawn they wont believe and ridicule those who do
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but I find some of his stuff a bit off personally.
